Underlying meaning.

Posted by G1037 - Monday, November 09th, 2009

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What is the underlying meaning of this movie. Were there religious undertones or was it all just science fiction?? Help! I want to like the movie, but couldn't find myself loving it because I couldn't understand it.

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Posted by G1044 - Thursday, November 12th, 2009

There are absolultly underlying meanings and religious undertones to the movie, and the fact that you saw that was more than everyone that was in the movie theater I went to.

I think the movie is about how naive humans are and the fact that they are the master of their own destiny, and that there is no higher being with a pre determined destiny for each person.

Lets take for instance the basic point of the movie. I offer you a million dollars to press a button which leads to someone somewhere being murdered that you don't know. Okay lets press the button not thinking about the consequences. You get the million dollars but now the same offerered is made to someone else that you don't know... does this mean your next?

This shows that humans only live to fufill the pleasure principle... I want what I want and I want it now with no regard for what their actions mean to someone else.

Arlington Steward represents what humans think to be a higher power or god. He presents people with a choice just like many think god does so they can lead a good life. At the end of the movie they make a reference to the afterlife, Steward just smiled making everyone think that there is a god, but the reason for this is to show even more so that people are followers and not leaders. They believe something just to justify something else. This is why all those people were acting like zombies, to further show that humans are followers.

Posted by G1109 - Monday, December 07th, 2009

underlying meaning

Posted by G2932 - Friday, April 23rd, 2010

The box/ meaning

They were aliens - and the guy with half of a face - he had actually died being struck by lightning and the aliens took over his body. Their whole purpose was to see if the human race was good - and the box proved otherwise
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Posted by G3172 - Thursday, May 06th, 2010

The movie was indeed about whether mankind was worth saving

It kind of has a new age/ spiritual message to it. As in have humans evolved morally to the point that they are willing to be selfless or will they do the selfish thing even if it knowingly costs someone else their life thus destroying all of mankind by their greedy choices, lack of love for others, and selfishness. Maybe even like playing God themselves by deciding someone else will die due to their greed/selfishness just as long as they get what they want. Enlightenment is thought to be what helps mankind save themselves and some people feel that "aliens" are going to decide if we are worth saving. They are going to base this on our love for others/ lack of love and caring/lack of for others and being selfless/selfish. They call it vibrating on a higher plane. It is a weird belief system but I picked up on it in this movie right away. The dude with the scars said, "Mankind isn't really worth saving" after the button was pressed and they had to realize how their choice effected someone else even indirectly and it talks about the word salvation several times in the movie. They think we will save ourselves by learning to care for one another so we as a whole will survive rather than just taking care of ourselves as an individual thus destroying us as a whole (survival of the fittest, every man for himself). It shows that even one choice can have a huge impact that effects others, not just ourselves. People say they would never make that kind of choice knowing that someone would die but a lot of people would do it. People manifesting their own destiny in a negative, destructive way.

Posted by G4240 - Monday, July 19th, 2010

Please.

Add more periods please.

Posted by G4427 - Monday, August 02nd, 2010

what


Posted by G5482 - Saturday, November 06th, 2010

The "Real" meaning behind the box

I got a few meanings from the movie....1) the choice between morals and greed, 2) the nuclear war between countries (pushing the button on the box and killing someone you don't know when doing it for one's own gain) and 3) sacrifice. Just my opinion :)

Posted by G10127 - Friday, December 04th, 2015

To much time

Stop asking for perfect grammar in chat rooms for the love of God Hope you have more important things to do now 65 months later

Posted by G4216 - Sunday, July 18th, 2010

this guy is right...if you paid attention to the part before the car crash

Posted by G6836 - Tuesday, February 01st, 2011

Hahahahahano.

Posted by G4039 - Tuesday, July 06th, 2010

most likely not pandora's

not to discredit your opinion, but I think it is a stretch to suggest that the underlying meaning has something to do with Pandora's Box. First, there are many different myths, from several different cultures, that use a similar story structure as what many people commonly know as the story of Pandora's Box. As with these many different myths come the number of different interpretations. That being said, for the most part these myths center around curiosity and doing as one is told, and the consequences that abound from not doing so. As another guest has mentioned, the "aliens" are giving humans a choice. There is a right and a wrong choice, but free will and morality dictate the human races fate, not a false sense of destiny governed by a higher power.

Posted by G2600 - Friday, April 02nd, 2010

very nicely put.

Posted by G3010 - Monday, April 26th, 2010

truth

The duality of human nature shows an inherent divide between the realm of the good and the realm of the evil. i believe that this movie illustrates the grey that ultimitely decides our lives. though people do heinous acts, such as murder, in this case, the people themselves are inherently good. thus illustrates the juxtopasition of human ideals. do we act for ourselves? or do we selfishly act upon our desires to fulfill our own vision of paradise. we make the choice, and, ultimately, we must live, and die, with these choices. the farce of this "utopian" world we have created trods on un-abated. how will you live?

Posted by G5082 - Thursday, September 30th, 2010

guest #3399

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Posted by G3302 - Thursday, May 13th, 2010

i beileve theres no for sure meaning of this movie.. yet. its a mystery its going to keep everybody guessing. the way the movie ended seems like there will be a the box 2. maybe the second (if there is one) will explain the meaning. and i doubt its not what anybody thinks it is.

Posted by G4117 - Monday, July 12th, 2010

No Sequel

If you know any of the directors films he is not going to do a sequel as it would basically be the same film - take for example donnie darko - he could easily have done a second film to clarify the first one - or kept it going and if there was a second one it could possibly revolve around the 'futher tests' that are mentioned but all in all it would make the first film less powerful as the directors whole point is to make you think about things without giving you strict answers. Therefore if there is a sequel of some description i will be really dissapointed and shocked as i really rate him as a director.

Posted by G4259 - Tuesday, July 20th, 2010

Richard Kelly=Awesome

There is a sequal to donnie darko...it sucks, not the same director. Richard Kelly is an amazing director, his films include Donnie Darko, Southlan Tales, and a couple smaller films. But a key point in all of his films are the use of metal, fire, and water. This is pointed out in one scene in The Box when Steward and the man from the NSA are looking down on a world map that is constantly changing. It stops and for half a second you can see three, three letter words: K(Gamma)T, W42,(Phi)(Iota)R. The last two words roughly sound out to say water, and fire. Keep investigating more and you will see that every Richard Kelly movie involves these 3 elements, alot of the times these elements are used to traverse parallel universes...pretty cool concept!

Posted by G4360 - Wednesday, July 28th, 2010

um

of course there is a meaning, how can you say there isn't one? and a sequel would just be made for money... but no worries, there isn't gonna be one :)

Posted by G3589 - Saturday, June 05th, 2010

agree

You are 100% right.

Posted by G3622 - Monday, June 07th, 2010

who dude from The Box is

I think the guy from The Box was the Antichrist. He fits most descriptions of him, especially the part about Satan looking like "lightning falling from the sky".

Posted by G4026 - Monday, July 05th, 2010

this is probable

i was liking this movie until i saw on one shot he did when arthut is coming out of the hangar you can clearly see an inverted cross.

Posted by G4523 - Saturday, August 07th, 2010

I def agree the guy with the messed up face was satan and he offered a gift (record contract) and she took the offer which there had to be a sacrifice....

Posted by G5535 - Tuesday, November 09th, 2010

nope

That is stupid. hes not the antichrist. He is there to test the choices of human beings. if they would stoop low enough to kill someone for money or if they would value human life more than material objects. IF anything, he is "God".... Or atleast, aliens trying to figure out if humanity can evolve being materialistic disires.

Posted by G5631 - Thursday, November 18th, 2010

I think that you couldnt be more wrong...about God that is. He exists and promises us everlasting life if we accept and believe in Him. People are lost and are exactly how you described them. Thankfully, that is why Jesus died for our sins to deliver us from this lost ugly world. Better get on board with God, or the "ultimate box" for you will be eternal damnation.

Posted by G6245 - Thursday, January 06th, 2011

Your concept of God is interesting to say the least. In your description of him you present a God who gives an ultimatum. "Everlasting life if we accept and believe in him". Now that compares very well with the character in the movie who presents his ultimatum. You also say to the poor individual you are posting a reply to - "Better get on board with God, or the "ultimate box" for you will be eternal damnation". Is that another ultimatum? Quite a strong and very judgemental one also. If you are a Christian who believes that the choice is simply between "saying you believe in Christ or not" and that the consequences will be either eternal life or damnation, then I am a bit concerned. Does God base the reward on a confession of belief only? What about the choices people make? The way we treat each other? How we interact? I can see how our actual choices will determine the outcome and not simply belief (or pretended belief) in Christ.
Comparing the man with the box to a prophet might be more accurate. Although a prophet would explain the details of his message a bit more than this character. Prophets are, and always have been God's chosen mouthpiece to his children to warn them about their choices and the possible consequences. The real outcome of selfish interactions between Gods children will be the difference between eternal life and damnation. Comparing this character to either God or a prophet of God (although not entirely brilliant) is closer than comparing him to the "Anti-Christ".

Posted by G6163 - Friday, December 31st, 2010

The Box

You sound like a sheep yourself. Get a better brain.

Posted by G6244 - Thursday, January 06th, 2011

What the heck are you on about? Although there are obvious religious undertones, the main message of the movie is that mankind chooses to destroy itself through selfish acts on a daily basis. The 'aliens' or higher power are testing mankind's ability to think of others over themselves. This is the ultimate test of life. Altruistic acts are the basis of human progression and moral advancement. If there is a higher power then such choices will prove that humans can be a self-fulfilling race. I can't understand why you focused on the followers over leaders question. It's imperfect leadership that has led to so many of humanities problems.

Posted by G1151 - Sunday, December 20th, 2009

One Main Point

One main point of the movie is that when times are tough in your life this is when your true morals and self come out, and it is at this time when you must be your strongest. The hard times are the test in life. Notice in the movie that she was losing her job and he didn't get what he wanted out of life when he wasn't picked to be an astronaut. They were both vulnerable and made the wrong choice.

Posted by G3887 - Sunday, June 27th, 2010

i agree!

i saw the movie and believe it had the same messsage.

Posted by G1174 - Sunday, December 27th, 2009

Possible symbolism: Steward represents all that is evil and was employed by God (all that is pure) for the purpose of human growth. If this representation were an accurate analogy for the relationship of ultimate good and bad, think about what this would mean!!!!!

What a cool, cool movie. I have so much to consider now!! What other things did this bring up in your thoughts?

Posted by G1223 - Monday, January 04th, 2010

Quetions

Yeah actually i have questions. What did the number 2 have to do with all this and what did they mean about look into the light. Also what was the mirror thing about and that kid that kept laughing and holding up the peace sign what did he have to do with anything. It seems like there's a lot of extra stuff to add dramatic effect.

Posted by G1945 - Friday, February 26th, 2010

Peace Sign???

I think the whole "peace" thing was supposed to be a 2. The whole time the emloyees where trying to help out the couple. The two was to help represent the portal that he had to pick. The mirror i'm not really sure about or the "look into the light". its all very confusing... i think if you were to read the book that the movie was based on it would probably give you some answers... just a thought though :D

Posted by G2279 - Wednesday, March 17th, 2010

the mirrior was because the babysitter said only the man in the mirror can save you. when they are home and soaking wet he looks in the mirror when he grabs a drink

Posted by G4408 - Friday, July 30th, 2010

The Real Test

The real test was not who would push the button. Hints were given for him to look into the mirror, and when he was being held at the military facility that man told him whatever he did from here on out would decide everything. The real test was...do you kill your spouse. If you choose to kill your spouse, the next person with the box is forced to push the button.

Posted by G4656 - Sunday, August 15th, 2010

"The real test was not who would push the button. Hints were given for him to look into the mirror, and when he was being held at the military facility that man told him whatever he did from here on out would decide everything. The real test was...do you kill your spouse. If you choose to kill your spouse, the next person with the box is forced to push the button. "To be honest, I thought it was the other way around. Do you remember that when they open the box, the button isn't connected to anything? Yet Steward (the burned face guy) insists on the fact that the Box is going to be reprogrammed...And as there are all those "spies", it made me think that "programming" meant creating a situation where the decision of pressing the button or not would be somehow connected to a homicide that was already meant to happen.So maybe the thing is, as long as the new couple (the one you see at the end of the movie) doesn't press the button, it doesn't matter if the protagonist shoots the spouse, it's just another murder in the world, not connected with the box... the new couple wouldn't have any responsibility on that, so that would give a new hope on humanity.Also, it would be weird if the box was the reason for death of the protagonist's spouse and not something happening coincidently, because 1. that choice is not a selfish one, it's one person sacrificing for her son and the other sacrificing his freedom and his wife for her son. 2. it took a while to come to that conclusion, which was caused by the protagonists own choices, not by someone else pressing the button.To me, pressing the button is something symbolic. It's more like "Would you do that? Yes or no?" and if you choose "Yes", Steward arranges a situation where you end up in a tragedy.

Posted by G4757 - Monday, August 23rd, 2010

choice 3

choice 3

kill your sun and save your wife, while also keeping the money.just have another kid

Posted by G5155 - Friday, October 08th, 2010

spell

son... not sun. we're not shooting the sun here.

Posted by G5528 - Monday, November 08th, 2010

Choice Three

What a wickedly creative mind you have! Wonderful solution.

Posted by G5712 - Monday, November 22nd, 2010

Still missing the point of the movie the truth of the matter is that steward was meant to test mankind. It tested their love for one another hints the question to the wife asked by stewart in the library. Pitty is an emotion that leads you to do things you would not normally do like killing your wife to let your son be normal again which only restarts the cycle. You should love everyone regardless of whether you know them or not and regardless of there deformities.. The couples using the box shows how we are all connected and that the first husband never thought that the guy he was hepling was ultimatly the reason his wife dieing. He explains why he is at the nasa bases using the people and equipement hints the locations on the babysitters maps. The only biblical aspect to me is that the lord allows for us to be tested thus determining the ultimate fate of human beings.

Posted by G5784 - Monday, November 29th, 2010

Almost there...

I totally bought this: "You should love everyone regardless of whether you know them or not and regardless of there deformities."I was ready to be done and then I thought... He loves his wife. He loves her enough to let her off the hook by killing her. Depending on what you believe happens after, the end of her life did not have to be a "bad" thing.So, I'll add this and call it a day:I don't think they passed the test. She shouldn't have pressed it and he shouldn't have killed her because, "you should love everyone regardless of whether you know them or not and regardless of their deformities." If he knew that, and she believed that, they would sack-up and face that they screwed up the kid and go on with life.

Posted by G7002 - Monday, February 14th, 2011

Yeah it got me that when Diaz hit the button the husband's NASA friend shot his wife through the heart.When Marsden shoots Diaz a new couple hits the button.An indication of lack of free will or just more super powers of the "god" or alien or whatever the guy is supposed to be?

Posted by G5449 - Tuesday, November 02nd, 2010

When it says look into the mirror and it will show you who can save you or something along the lines of that, it represents seeing yourself as the only thing that can save you

Posted by G2048 - Wednesday, March 03rd, 2010

The Number 2

All the people who were holding up 2 fingers were hinting to the husband to pick portal number 2 because it would not lead him into internal damnation but to his wife. But is just my thought.

Posted by G2280 - Wednesday, March 17th, 2010

the number 2 led him to choosing the second water elevator that saved him from eternal damnation

Posted by G4851 - Friday, September 03rd, 2010

Eternal damnation

I am not sure if anyone will agree with me, but I think having to live the rest of your life with the guilt of shooting your wife is eternal damnation...so I think any portal he chose was going to lead to eternal damnation because it was always goign to end in tragedy, that is the price they had to pay for their decision to push the button. But that's just me and my very humble opinion :)

Posted by G2360 - Sunday, March 21st, 2010

...

exactly, i really don't get most of the stuff that happened.The whole time i was thinking to myself ''what does this scene have anything to do with this movie?''this movie was funny without even knowing it... F-

Posted by G2884 - Tuesday, April 20th, 2010

I got the "two" thing, when he was asked which box of water to step into he held up his fingers and said he would take box of water number two other than that yeah I was lost at some on the hidden messages, but over all I liked the movie.

Posted by G3685 - Sunday, June 13th, 2010

My mom still doesn't get it :L

Posted by G3755 - Friday, June 18th, 2010

Mirror, Light and peace

First, it wasn't a peace sign, they were holding the number two telling him what portal to take. When he looked in the mirror to grab a drink, it meant only he could save himself, no one else. Last, "look into the light" i think had something to do when everyone in the big room was going into the afterlife, and the guards kept saying "dont look in the light"

Posted by G3934 - Wednesday, June 30th, 2010

Number 2 Indicates Balance

I guess Number 2 meant to choose the Portal in the middle which also means to balance yourself between your own needs and others needs, to stay in the middle of things, choose the gray, something between selfishness and seflessness. and that there's no extreme good or extreme bad in life it's something in between ...

Posted by G4203 - Saturday, July 17th, 2010

just a thought...

I don't know if this was already said, but at the party Arthur and his wife were at, and the employers kept giving the 'peace' or number two sign, it might have represented that gate two leads to peace. Again just a thought.

Posted by G1243 - Thursday, January 07th, 2010

Actually if you were to look at it as a relationship between good and evil this would totally fit w/ a Biblical description of the 'relationship' there is between God and satan. Satan is literally God's dirty worker. For example if you're familiar w/ the story of Job, it is Satan who brings all the disasters upon Job. He is also the ultimate human temptor. This fits in perfectly w/ the movie because although the devil is a temptor, he does not force people's will. This is exactly Arlington's role in the movie.

Posted by G1695 - Monday, February 15th, 2010

Sorry to have to be the bearer of the news.. But the answers are there right in the movie. An enlightened individual can see the references to the human condition and the spiritual realm. For answers, just seek your soul.

One of the most common mistakes of belief systems has been made in these comments, allowing your mind to view God as an individual in itself and not the divine within each and of us.

The title of the movie is "The Box." Arlington spells the whole preface out in one scene as he describes the use of the box. From there, you can pull apart different meanings and understandings.

But also remember, this is a work of art. The author who wrote the short stories, this is his particular knowledge and take on Life. Further hindered and blurred by Hollywood and the chain of approval.

Posted by G1844 - Saturday, February 20th, 2010

Taken from Yahoo Answers_Source 'GoodMOVIE'

This is the best answer I have been able to find... the movie confused the hell out of me.

This comes from 'goodmovie' taken from yahoo answers.com

*SPOILER ALERT*

The movie really is a twist on the old existentialist dilemma about the existence of free will. He was playing around with the idea of whether or not we actually have a choice in our actions.

The movie begins with the choice of "The Box". Press the button, and you get a million dollars tax free, but someone dies. Of course, the couple presses the button because otherwise there would be no movie.

We find out, as the movie progresses, who died when the button was pressed. It was the woman in the previous couple who pressed the button, and she was killed by her husband to save their child.

In the climactic sequence, this is replayed. The couple is confronted with a choice to sacrifice themselves or maim their child for life. Another couple is making the decision whether or not to press the button on the box. As one couple decides to press the button, the other chooses to sacrifice the woman to save the child.

It's presented as a catch-22. Who is making the fateful life or death decision between the inextricably tied couples? The one pressing the button, or the one pulling the trigger to save their child? The truth is there is no answer, and it's meant to have you thinking about the meaning of free will and choice.

The entire movie is filled with little hints at this theme. When the husband selects a present at the wedding reception, he picks the box with a picture of Steward (the burned face guy). Though it seemed he made a choice, was it destiny in the end...? You're meant to think about that.

The "water elevator" choice is just another in these escalating paradoxes. Did he have a choice, or was it destiny what he would choose the second elevator? You're meant to ask this question b/c of all of the minions flashing the peace sign (or the number 2) at him earlier. Were they warning him about which elevator he should choose, or foretelling what elevator he would choose, which of course was the 2nd elevator (one answer means he has a choice, the other means he doesn't).

The people with the nosebleeds, I called them minions above, are just part of that puzzle. Seemingly they sometimes act by free will to warn the couple of ways to avoid their fate, however, all their suggestions only lead the couple closer to the ultimate climactic decision. Remember they were all controlled by the burned man at seemingly the same time.

Even Steward himself didn't have a choice, he was being controlled by a higher power, and at one point indicated that he was only the messenger (he had no choice either).

I might be wrong about this, but I think it's all a religious allegory about free will in a world with an all-knowing god. If god knows what choice you're going to make, did you have a choice in the first place? It's ultimately a modern telling of the garden of eden. The couple is Adam and Eve, the burned man is the snake, the button (and money) is the tree of knowledge, and their child represents their innocence (and whether they lose it in the end).

ADD: Part of the hint that it's the Garden of Eden is that the ONLY one that presses the button is the women in the couples. Remember in Genesis that Eve is the one that is seduced and picks fruit from the tree of knowledge. There are three couples referenced in the film. Only the women press the button.

In the end, it's about being judged for your decisions (fate of humanity based on this box test) when those judging you (God or Aliens) already knows how you will respond, and are therefore responsible for your decision. This is a bible paradox and it's being played out in the movie.

Posted by G1992 - Monday, March 01st, 2010

read Gen. again, they both ate the apple

read Gen. again, they both ate the apple

Posted by G2015 - Tuesday, March 02nd, 2010

true it was both adam and eve who gave in to the temptation of the fruit but it was eve that was approached by the snake like in the movie. Steward is shown confronting two different families in the movie and both times it is the women he is shown speaking to, this to me shows religous ties to the story of adam and eve.

Posted by G2089 - Saturday, March 06th, 2010

Biblical parallels...

Guest, I totally agree with you about the Adam and Eve parallels. Like Adam and Eve, they are the "representatives" of the race. And like Adam and Eve, they brought consequences on both themselves and others. (Steward tells them near the end of the movie that he truly respected them, that they had given him "hope," but that didn't negate their original choice.)Another support for the Biblical parallels are all the references to salvation. For example, in the end Norma asks Steward if she can be "forgiven." He says "I don't know." Ultimately, the movie demonstrates the plight of mankind - we are lost in our own selfishness and greed. Steward's response to Norma seems to be leaving us (the viewer) with the question of salvation. Can the human race be forgiven? If so, how? The answer may be in the movie... if someone chose not to press the button, would the test stop? Would the human race have 'passed'? If so, this may be pointing to the need for a Christ figure - the one who would pass the test for all mankind, thus preventing their "extermination."

Posted by G2612 - Saturday, April 03rd, 2010

People keep making references to the bible, but keep forgetting that throughout the movie they reference mars. Steward as a small TV set up with images from the Viking project, and the man that Aurthur works with informs him that Steward has an alien in his frontal lobe. They even have a small but significant scene where the President is giving a speech about the Viking project and how it could lead to answers about our own existence. It's a scientologist movie, making small references to humanity being an offshoot of an old martian civilization. It does bring up a lot of good questions, but ultimately, it's kind of a bland cover.

Posted by G3560 - Wednesday, June 02nd, 2010

Adam...Eve...Christ

Well said.

Posted by G3645 - Wednesday, June 09th, 2010

''if someone chose not to press the button, would the test stop? Would the human race have 'passed'? If so, this may be pointing to the need for a Christ figure - the one who would pass the test for all mankind, thus preventing their "extermination." I REALLY like your take on it! What I took from this movie is a feeling of knowing that I am a human being with a soul and I am a part of something greater and how we are all interconnected. What connects us all is our souls. I believe that there must be an afterlife. It is mindboggling to just be in existence, it is amazing yet frightening me here on a small planet in a universe i know almost nothing about. and I can only feel safer knowing im not alone, there are other people and we need to care about each other. and that there must be a highpower, something greater than any of us that cant be classified as 'human' which we owe our existence to and which protects us. I thought this is the general idea the movie was trying to maybe put forward to us. I also thought that when Steward asked Norma to take his hand and she passed out, I think after what she said, Steward was controlled by something else right. I think that something else was God or our higherpower that already forgave Norma at that point because when she spoke to Steward she proved that she actually does love her fellow human beings. She was saved.

Posted by G3935 - Wednesday, June 30th, 2010

Belief

Well Said !, I thought about it the same way, the movie revolves around the existence of a higher power that links us all together. and God created us all with the ability to think yet our own desires and emotions blind our minds and make us chose what's not good for us in the end. just because it sounds good now we choose it without thinking about the consequences.I also agree about the Adam & Eve metaphor, and also that the movie showed the female figures are the ones who push the buttons. and also about the physical box that the husband opened with a screw at before pushing the button, they saw NOTHING mechanical or chemical inside it, just a button so in this case it's also a matter of our obedience to God's orders while making a choice so whether what religion states makes sense or not we should follow it just to show God that we obey him and that's what gives us salvation. Life pushes us forward to use our brains and logic and reason to realize things and know the truth but there are other phases of truth that are only known by the heart and soul and no logic or law can prove yet that doesn't alter the fact that they DID happen. for example I come here and say "I saw a dragon last night" and it's true that I did see a dragon last night but will any of you believe Me ? you'll want a proof which I don't have cuz I simply didn't film the dragon nor took a picture of it nor even know where he lives ... and even if I did show a picture you'd say "It's a Photoshop thing" so in such cases logic and reason will never work and won't be able to prove my story. but deep down inside Me I know what I've seen.About belief in God, It frightens Me when I think of the "What about ?" and "Where did this come from ?" and "Why ?" and "Where ?" questions which many of them have no answers and also when I look at myself as a student or as man working in my own field "I see that I know so much, almost a professional" but when I zoom out and look at the big picture I'll realize that I know NOTHING about the universe and that's what God stated in islam "All the knowledge you've been given and will ever know is just a little bit".so having God above us will kill the feeling of emptiness and lonesome and also that someone will judge us and will reward us somehow, someday for the good things we ever done ...

Posted by G5933 - Tuesday, December 07th, 2010

Amazing

That was Really Good Writing I Have Been Reading Posts Here FOr An Hour And Yours Made My Heart Skip A Beat. It Makes Perfect Sense WHen She Gave Arlington Her Hand He Felt Something and He Thought SOmething. It Seems As If God Was Arlington To Me. As If He Was Refering To Them As Himself Or He Kept Saying He Didn't Have A Choice That He Was being Controlled By A Higher Power But what if he was refering to himself and He Was God? God Can Take The Shape Of Any Man He Is Everywhere And He Is Everything. If That Is God THen It Makes Sense That Arlingtons Wife WOuld Be Mary Showing The Husband The Portals Thus = Salvation, Damnation And Life On Earth WIth a Balance And CHoices Mixed Of Both Good And Bad. ANd I Felt As If The Kid That Embarressed The Womans Feet was Satan. Satan = Tempts Humans TO HAve Hatred TOward Others By Being Cruel As Is Hes Laughin Just Like That Kid Was. THe Look THat KId Gave To Her Was Just As Is He Was Satan And WHen He LAughed At The Husband It Was Satan Im Sure. He Tempted the husband to be filled with anger and hate towards another human being = Satans Job WHo Else In THat Movie Was Laughing Like That Kid? Noone... WHo COmpares To Satans Cruelty? No one does. Makin That COmparison Solid Form My Point Of View. And To Add I Think That Arlington Told Her THat He didint KNow If She COuld Be Forgiven Because She Hadnt Got Shot In The HEart Yet. She Was Forgivinen When she died because she pressed the button so she took the life and she needed to be forgiven so she died to save her sone life and to pay the life back as well. She Went To Heaven In My Point OF View. THe Cycle Of Forgivness was never ending there wasnt goin to be a Hell In this movie. our race would have never stopped pressing the button for Greed But In The end Whoever pressed the button would be saved by giving there life to redeem themselves and to save there kids. Thus meaning God Really does care about us and in leaving the child with his or her senses regained and the money he also cares the mother being dead is the only point someone can raise about it actually being a bad thing but god Leaves us knowing that our wife died becuz she saved my son and she took a life but gave hers in return becuz she was filled with guilt and if the family knows this then God is teaching and saving us at the same time. and if i were the husband knowing wat my wife did would make my life much better and would be worth living with. God Works In mysterious Ways Everyone Entering those portals where going to heaven. God Keeps A balance In the world When Someone Dies of cancer Another dies becuz he was protecting someone. While someone Has an abortion a woman Has Twins. While Someone Commits Suicide They Are Reborn.Its All A Balance God Wont Let You Be Damned Only You CAn LEt You Be Damned Live Well andGo wIth Your Feelings God Will Never Let You Down. Dont give in to the devil to the hatred and the temptation. And Even If You Do In The End Its Never To Late For Salvation You Can Always DO Something To Be Forgiven. and TO Forgive Yourself.

My LAst Words Are: There is a God We didint make ourselves we cant blast rockes together and rocks cant pick each other up and toss each other across the universe. Something started this Somone SOmething Something powerful and Great. God. He Knows Everything

HAve a Good Day :D

Posted by G3741 - Thursday, June 17th, 2010

ironic...

watch the movie again.

they both committed murder, too.

the woman is responsible for "pushing the button", opening the flood gate initially...but the husband is there. that is VERY like Genesis. and ultimately, the husband takes his wife's life.

Posted by G5393 - Thursday, October 28th, 2010

yes, they both sinned...

She sinned by pressing the button and killing someone. He sinned by killing her as "the only way" to bring their son back to his previous state. No one considers the story of Job and how Satan took everything from him but he never sinned against God and God rewarded him for his faith.

Posted by G3242 - Monday, May 10th, 2010

One Interpretation

Posted by G3970 - Friday, July 02nd, 2010

Right on the money

It simply doesn't matter who the employers were (aliens, god, something else). The moment you think in such limited terms by basing your suppositions on the tenets of a particular religion or world view you have already missed the point and demonstrated the gross indolence and tremendous failing of the religious or sensationalist mindsets (both of which are primitive and superfluous).

This movie does not massage the consciousness. It exercises it.

Posted by G4605 - Wednesday, August 11th, 2010

Good Post Above

This is a very good post. The one thing to include, is that I would argue that Mars was like Earth many, many years ago. And that whoever was living on that planet before, failed the set of tests. This is seen in the beginning, when Arthur is explaining to the reporter that NASA found evidence of what could be rivers. If there are signs of rivers from the past, there was life, too. As a result of this discovery, a higher power strikes lightning and the tests on Earth begin. Mars itself represents a fallen Eden.

Posted by G5928 - Sunday, December 05th, 2010

YES

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YESit's a piece on existentialism.with religious undertones which is nuts.everything you said was on it man

Posted by G2204 - Saturday, March 13th, 2010

To Guest [74.79.5.10]

In reality an enlightened individual would not publically highlight the possiabilty that they who were speaking to others are an enlightened one. If so this demonstrates ego/self is still identifying as a seperate being.

Posted by G2431 - Tuesday, March 23rd, 2010

nonbeliver ... need i say more.


Posted by G4566 - Tuesday, August 10th, 2010

I could not agree with you more :)

Posted by G4224 - Sunday, July 18th, 2010

what?

you seriously have no clue of what you're saying. satan's not god's dirty worker. This movie is all about fate. no matter which descion the couple chose at the end, he'd have to kill her because the other couple pushed the button.End of story.

Posted by G5548 - Wednesday, November 10th, 2010

Could he have not killed himself instead of his wife? Then he would be sacrificing something that was truly his own.

To me the whole movie was about choices and thinking for oneself. It was also about owning what you did. Remember that the wife was uninterested in pressing the button until he took the box apart; it was his insistence that the box was nothing that aided her decision. While taking his OWN life was not presented as a choice, he could have broken form and done so- that would have been truly responsible and represented the altruism that was talked about. It also would have been thinking outside the box presented.

I also noted that only the women were BLAMED for pressing the button but in the scenes we saw, the 2 husbands weren't without blame themselves. I totally get the moral questions but think if there were truly a Biblical connection it would be less about the temptation of woman but that woman and man are equal in matters of decision and sin.

Posted by G5852 - Wednesday, December 01st, 2010

He wouldn't have had to kill her because it's a chain-reaction type thing. You press the button, you kill someone you don't know. The person who dies is always the last person to press the button. By the way, I agree with the whole Satan/Eve theories. Eve was tempted first, but Adam was guilty of the same sin because he didn't try to stop her. The husband in the movie is just as guilty because he didn't tell her not to press it.

Posted by G4562 - Monday, August 09th, 2010

i also believe it has alot to do with the bible something that i notice was everyone that pushed the button were women, like in the bible eve made adam it the apple which condemed us all

Posted by G2236 - Sunday, March 14th, 2010

It could also make reference to the story of Adam and Eve. If you noticed the wives pressed the button, which like in the bible she ate the fruit, which could represent how humans picked to stray from god's plan thus having to pick from right and wrong...........Just a thought.

Posted by G1929 - Thursday, February 25th, 2010

The Box - An Incredible movie

I LOVED it ! I thought it was just so well done and so powerful. This is a movie, pretty much like another of Kelly's movies (Donnie Darko), where your choices or decisions are made according to your own conscience... some will make choices courageously while others will seek the easy way out, or something born of their own greed... and such is the story. Sure, there is much symbolism to be interpreted in Kelly's movie, but Kelly himself offers no explanation. The story is well developed...it explains it all... all the other stuff is just there for you to think about.... that's why I loved it. I made my own choice to see it, and it made me ponder on choices we all have with our lives... One line in the movie said "if no one pushes the button, the test is over"... sure. If this was an ideal world no one would get killed for the sake of money... and that is also the story. It faces us ("look into the mirror" as the babysitter said) to look at ourselves, and take responsibility for our choices, good or bad.

Posted by G1981 - Sunday, February 28th, 2010

The Box

The wife's price to commit murder was a million dollars.

The husband's price to commit murder was the welfare of the son.

Both committed murder - the price was different.

I agree with the earlier posts however, I do not believe he should have shot the wife. They learned nothing from bargaining with the devil.

Posted by G2009 - Monday, March 01st, 2010

the button - orgasm - pandora box - the original sin - plasma

The pushing of the button is symbolic to a couple reaching orgasm (priceless reward of dopamine in your reward circuit) ultimately leading to procreation and the bringing into life of a blind and deaf entity. Down here on earth we are all spiritualy blind and deaf and cut out from reality.

Like the original sin, the women was the first to initiate the ordeal. The couple in the movie did good showing the magnetic energie of male and female counter parts carring for each other and the chemestry between the two is realy beauiful. It it reconized tha atoms have spins, it is suggested that male and female spins are oposite and that this is behin our different chakras spins and the cause of attraction between the two sexes.

Electricity playing a big role in the movie is no coincidence. Mars and it's scar show a evidence of a past life. Mithology as always been discarted as stories and legends without root, but looking at all the ancient legends like Velikovsky did, the storys of Mars engadging in a great battle with Venus is omnipresent in all the memories (songs and legends have way to similar descriptions of the two. Mars the good of war and Venus the godess of love). It looks like there was a big discharge between Venus and Mars leaving it with a 5 thousand km long scar. (Mars is coverd with iron meteorites, and many scientists think that the iron core of every planet might be bigger than we think so a big electrical arc could have scratched it).

Like in the movie, it always comes back to the chamber. Women being passive side of energy (girl zombie walking back to her bed) and male active side of energy (choosing the door) the girl still reached first unleashing the flood. They had another chance, there is always a second chance.

So my interpretation of the movie: learn to build charge and that will lead to movement, discharge/short-circuit will leave a momentary bright flash and scar.

Interesting reading about orgasms = http://www.reuniting.info/wisdom
There is also a science part on this web site

Posted by G2160 - Wednesday, March 10th, 2010

?? Orgasms?

You are very odd. The movie had nothing to do with orgasms... Who would make a movie about that?? Some people...

Posted by G2260 - Tuesday, March 16th, 2010

The true link in this movie

Firstly it is true about the orgasms I too picked up on this very delicte subject..once u orgasm the lightning bolt fires at ur face leaving u permanently disfigured..this is a direct corelation to the bedroom during an orgasm u have the choice to push a buttons sometimes mny buttons..the choices are endless yet ur destiny is predetermined which is evident when Steve pushes the button on the parallel universe of mars..I think many people missed out on the point of this movie..there are no links to religion all references thr seem religious are orgasmic..it's all about sex when Steve galls out water bubble it actually symbolizes a woman water breaking breaking..

Posted by G2283 - Wednesday, March 17th, 2010

Links to Religion and Sex

Why can't the links in the movie represent both religious symbolism and sexual symbolism? Why are your opinions separated? It seems so obvious that there are tones of religion and parallels to the Bible. The idea of temptation, poor choice, greed, love, remorse, and sacrifice is splattered throughout the movie, and the author throws out many points for the viewer to take and interpret. This movie is brilliant because it creates in the viewer a curiousity to seek out and explore the meanings behind and beyond the basic plot. Watching is similar to viewing a work of art. We may never know exactly what the author fully intended, but we can reflect what the work means to us in our lives and the lives of the ones who discuss it around us. Some of us choose not to see what is clealy pointed out in front of our faces. Why?...perhaps denial, fear and not wanting to admit truth.

Posted by G2336 - Friday, March 19th, 2010

Moral of this movie is that people are naive, because you can make a film that makes absolute no sense and somebody somewhere is going to try and make sense out of it.

Posted by G5477 - Saturday, November 06th, 2010

Another moral that you have brought to mind is that people tend to shut out anything that takes them out of their comfort zone. It's too easy to just bail out mentally, and assume that everyone else is idiots because you don't get "it". Yet, obviously, there is an "it" to get. That's why so many people have questions. Don't put others down because they notice something that you aren't being receptive enough to notice.

A bit of advice (from the heart) to everyone. Push your self out of your comfort zone and watch your comfort zone and quality of life expand.

Posted by G2359 - Sunday, March 21st, 2010

Wrong about mythology

One huge flaw in your argument about mythology and its relationship with some kind of cosmic event.

Planets were named Mars and Venus during an era of science and discovery whereas ancient Greece and Rome did not know what Mars and Venus were in the sense of planetary bodies. Therefore, you can't draw a parallel by suggesting these stories are rooted in history when the stories are not based on the objects you ascribe them to.

And the other person was right, you are very weird in your interpretation of reality and it's disturbing that you are out there "thinking freely" right now.

Posted by G2366 - Sunday, March 21st, 2010

about Mars

I found it interesting that Arlington, the man delivering the Box, is said to be delivering units from the Mars project. Arthur, later in the movie talks to the female reporter and tells her about the possibilty that life was or could be on Mars. Could this be suggesting that inhabitants on Mars were put through the "Box" test and failed. Now, people on Earth are put through the same test?

Posted by G2569 - Wednesday, March 31st, 2010

interesting

"could this be suggesting that inhabitants on Mars were put through the "Box" test and failed. Now, people on Earth are put through the same test?" This is an interesting addition to all the theories I've heard so far. I agree with all the religious ties so far but I also like the idea of this "failed" world that didn't pass the box test.

Posted by G6124 - Tuesday, December 28th, 2010

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!-!!!!Babies are NOT for eating.Shave your balls.

Posted by G2384 - Sunday, March 21st, 2010

I so agree with you!

Posted by G2613 - Saturday, April 03rd, 2010

The movie was very religious, but not christian. It's very scientologist...Just stop and think about it for a minute. The entire movie they talk about mars, the viking project and the speech by the president, saying that it can lead us to answers about our own past...the belief that we may have come from mars originally. When Aurthors co-worker pulls him aside towards the end of the movie and tells him everything...pretty much saying there is an alien living in Stewards frontal lobe. Steward even has something on his desk in Langley displaying pictures from the Viking project. While I do agree that it brings up good questions about good an evil...it just drips scientology.

Posted by G2618 - Saturday, April 03rd, 2010

Theres so much going on in this movie, I really don't think Kelly wanted one underlying theme to the story. Although, I do think this movie had a large scientolgist overtone with the aliens and religion aspect: in which practitioners aim to consciously re-experience painful or traumatic events in their past in order to free themselves of their limiting effects. They went to Mars and what did they find? Who knows...but Steward was struck by lightning and brought back to life (this is sci-fi at it's finest). The real story is behind the human conscience and people will always be put in a position to better themselves at the cost of hurting someone else at any level. Do you really know someone was a theme brought up in the movie over and over again, and the reality was none of them knew or really loved each other. The husband didn't love his wife because of her disfigurement, he even told her to push the button so they could afford surgery on her foot. The wife really didn't love her husband as you can see when they're laying in bed and she hints at them needing more money to move out of Richmond. They both want more, never satisfied and looking for an easy fix for things that don't need any fixing. The whole movie in my opinion is saying the Earth is purgatory, and the button is just a symbolic use of choosing your faith on Earth. The play 'No Exit' is used twice in the movie which was based on the whole idea behind purgatory. I love Kelly, but this movie had too much conspiracy to get a simple point across and left way too many questions to connect everything. "If human beings are unwilling or unable to sacrifice individual desires for the greater good of your species and it has no chance of survival then my employers will be compelled to expedite your extinction. Clear?"

Posted by G2698 - Thursday, April 08th, 2010

The Altruism Coefficient

The altruism coefficient is the key to this entire story. In Donnie Darko, for example, the entire branching time line of the story hinges on whether Donnie takes his medication or not. But since the medication is secretly a placebo, a sugar pill, it really has nothing to do with the medicinal concoction itself, but with Donnie's reason for taking it, i.e. his internal feelings and his orientation toward the world in which he lives, an the corresponding attitude of either despondency or gratitude. In the end of that film, Donnie is laughing because he's seen the alternate time line, knows the pill is a placebo, but also has a new outlook on all the gifts of living life. Laughing in the mirror, because he's truly seen himself for the first time, he effectively chooses to go back to bed, rejecting the false remedy meant to cure his depression, having seen his own death, and the act is altruistic because, in so doing, he spares his love interest the death that awaits her on Halloween night.

This seems to be a popular theme with Kelly, and indeed, all religious and spiritual teachings point to altruism as the essence of true enlightenment and liberation. So consider for a moment that the couple portrayed in "The Box" only had free will up until the point where they pushed the button. Like Darko, their fate was determined beyond that point and their journey brought them to the point of recognizing the power of their choices, but unlike him they never have a chance to go back choose again more wisely. There is always choice, see, but once it is made it then becomes fate. That is the paradox of free will. No matter what we choose, the ending is already written. Most of us never even take responsibility for our choices, though, another popular theme Kelly plays upon. For liberation can only be attained through ownership of one's choices. When you truly own your own choices, there's noboy to forgive you but yourself. Hence the "I don't know" response with regards to forgiveness. He seemed to be saying, "I don't know, can you forgive yourself?"

So in this film "The Box," the protagonists of the story, which are indeed based upon the quintessential archetypes Adam and Eve and the parable of the Garden; well beyond the point of pushing that button they are simply no longer free. They've committed the fatal error, and from then on they're subject to further choices, none of which are to their liking. The "employees" or agents push them along the way, merely pulling upon the different strings of their weakness, and it's always a grey area from then on as to whether they're actually choosing or merely reacting. There is, of course, a hint that Mars went though a similar box test for whatever species once inhabited that planet. Logically, one might assume that sending a monitoring probe to Mars would be a litmus by which our species would have passed the technology threshold that would allow us to move beyond our planet and join the interstellar community. If ever aliens were to put us to the test, it would be at this first sign of our ability to reach beyond the realm of our solitary planet and affect things on a grander scale.

Here's the crux of the film, though. Every time someone pushes that button, choosing their own selfish desires and goals in life over the altruism of acting on behalf of the good of their species, they commit a mistake that by its nature dooms others to repeat the same. This is the Golden Rule and the cycle of karma. When they press the button, they guarantee another couple elsewhere will do the same. They seal their own fate and that of their species in one single moment of choice. If all the boxes are tested an no couple passes in the end, then the entire species fails. Kelly seems to be asking us, how many more boxes do we have left, how many more chances to pass this test? The rest of the movie is fluff and filler, though Kelly was incredibly concise and to the point.

So, to recap, the husband didn't have a choice when he picked the brown box at the party, nor did he have a choice when he picked elevator two. His own desire to connect dots, his particular character trait, led him to see patterns in everything. He actually chose the wrong elevator, because he ended up at purgatory, though he did get a brief glimpse of salvation, which the film suggests can only be found through Woman. Remember, he sees his wife after traveling through the passage of light, suggestive perhaps of the birthing process. Salvation of the individual is therefor uniquely linked to the salvation of the species. And again, looking into the light and looking into mirrors are just metaphors for looking inside oneself and coming to the realization that all beings, human or otherwise, are born of similar stuff. Every major religion has at its core this fundamental teaching, and once that realization is attained, altruism evolves. For how can you hurt or hinder another when they are truly the same thing as you at their core? This is all rather esoteric for the beginning religious aspirant, but needless to say Kelly is definitely talking about free will and all of the religious overtones and archetypes are present.

One last note, and sorry for the length of this posting. "The Box" is also a metaphor for television, for the fact that human's live inside a box and have trouble thinking outside the box of their own problems and dilemmas in life. Television endlessly feeds us mostly useless fantasies and fears that hinder us from thinking realistically. Watching television is also the direct opposite of being present to the moment right now. It's nothing akin to real life. And a single child growing up in a household where the boxlike mentality prevails is going to end up deaf and blind anyway, partly from too much television, probably, but also because their parents can only think inside that box mentality. The child doesn't grow up having eyes to see and ears to hear. More than anything, then, the film is urging us to think outside the box, i.e. to think of others instead of our selves and the limited dimensions of our reality.

The end

Posted by G2749 - Sunday, April 11th, 2010

To me it's simply an interesting way of looking at the nature of humans. Though I'd like to believe the movie is a message that offers some sort of wisdom as to what could or should be, I think it just simply outlines in an artistic way what is. It seems to be a human experiment and a different way of looking at who we are?

Posted by G2784 - Wednesday, April 14th, 2010

to me they are contradicting free will...is it in fact the husbands choice to kill his wife or was it influenced by the "free will" of someone else who pushes the button?

they make it look like they had a choice in the matter of every event and outcome

but Steward is a symbolic question: if certain opportunities present themselves does that effect the outcome of the event of a complete strangers life?

is there a higher power who will know the exact move and thinking behind a simple human mind and see their selfish ways could be experimented with?

is it the experiment of "Satan" with Jobe allowed by "God" because he does in fact know the outcome of an entire planet?

or is it with your own thinking, your own events coensided with anothers to coincidentally make an out come of what would happen without the other's input to the situation in the first place?

Posted by G3078 - Friday, April 30th, 2010

One thing some people missed...

One major aspect people missed is the socialism/capitalism message. Currently many powerful people are pushing for world socialism due to dwindling resources and what have you. Capitalism represents the individual, what is good for me. The ultimate middle class goal is to ultimately be worth a million dollars. This is possible through capitalism, but not through socialism or communism. Therefore, those who support capitalism are actually supporting the demise of another who will be squeezed out because you as one person are using more scarce resources than you need. The box represents a choice of whether you support capitalism where you have the ability to make a million dollars but will deprive others, or socialism where everyone will live modestly but there will be enough for everyone. This is why Arlington Steward said "If you cannot make sacrifices for the good of your species my employers will be forced to "expedite" your extinction. The message here is that we are already on the path to extinction, but some force will take that into their own hands before that actually happens. This represents the world powers moving toward a socialistic one world government (If you still think this is conspiracy in 2010, you need to do some reading). They believe bringing down capitalism and destroying the sovereignty of governments is noble because they are doing it for the greater purpose of preserving scarce resources. On the other hand, there was something sinister to Arlington Steward, was there not? I think this represents the "ends justify the means" mindset they go by. The actions themselves are sinister, but the end goal is not, a Machiavellian belief.

I do also believe the box represents the apple in Eden, as only the woman pushes the button. I do not have any contempt for women, but must point out the significance here. The age old tale of Adam and Eve tells us that the woman is easily corrupted, and this will spill over on to her male companion. I believe it derives from selfishness, and I would suggest that women are inherently weak before I'd suggest that they were inherently evil. One cannot help but think of how things are today, where most young women are corrupted by the media and spend most of their time acting promiscuously in clubs. By giving women the equal choice, they ultimately fail at it. Most marriages today are controlled by the women, and this is reflected in many TV shows. The man is a football watching doofus that looks to the wife for wisdom (Everybody Loves Raymond? King of Queens?) However, this is just television and not real life. I think the tale of Adam and Eve, as well a The Box, tells us it should be the opposite.

Posted by G3105 - Sunday, May 02nd, 2010

just a thought

ok so all of you keep talking about how the movie was portraying humanity's greed and the complex of free will. Something none of you touched on was that the Lewis family was in a very bad spot and couldn't afford not only their lifestyle, but important things that benefit the well being of their son and Norma. The idea to get the money was necessarily born out of greed. Now i'm not saying that the idea of a million dollars seemilngly with no strings attached didn't influence their decision. I am saying that there was some real substance to their choice. This would explain why Arlington found the family honorable or whatever because they were trying to make the right decision but didn't see their consequences.

A really important part of the movie is when they try to give the money back. This is important because it is an example of humanity. There is always a quest for salvation and the belief that we can be forgiven for past deeds. Sometimes when people make bad decisions they are comforted by the fact they can be forgiven or that the next time the choice appears again they will have learned and make the right decision. This is what the aliens did not understand about the humans. It wasn't that they were greedy or power hungry, or even truly horrible people, it was just that they had been conditioned to live in the moment and think that they can be forgiven for past mistakes.

That whole complex ties into religion as mentioned in other posts and the question of whether or not god really exists. It doesn't really matter if you believe in him or not because ultimately you choose your own fate, it just may not feel like it because at the moment of choice you are not always aware of the consequences.

Posted by G3274 - Tuesday, May 11th, 2010

So, Is the NWO inherently a good idea?

So what is your take on this New World Order that we seem to be shifting towards? I have thought to myself many times, pondering if a New World Order would actually be a step in the right direction. The information provided by "Anti's" only portray individuals as evil murderers furthering this agenda, while spreading unproven talk of a police state and eternal enslavement. I feel as if the people who "believe" in this are simply following like sheep, like the zombies in this movie because the information is being spoon fed just as fast and the mainstream media shovels it in causing an internal conflict within yourself.

The idea of everyone being equal is what the entire world seemingly strives for every day, yet when the thought of bringing the world together through the idea of a One World Order, everyone calls for the heads of the most powerful people in the world. Slightly hypocritical no? I understand that the process in which it is being brought about seems extremely discouraging and cold-hearted, but what do we TRULY know about it?


To the gentleman who mentioned the "Esoteric Message".

Could you elaborate on this subject? I have lightly skimmed the surface of an esoteric agenda within our world, but not elaborately enough to even begin to manifest a conclusion.

I would like to talk further with you guys as you seem to grasp an understanding of these topics. I strive to learn and it would only be beneficial to the both of us to discuss this further.

I look forward to hearing from you guys.

Posted by G3168 - Wednesday, May 05th, 2010

Not sure if this was covered earlier in this thread, I didn't care to read it all.

My feeling was that at the end of the movie the family made the wrong decision to kill the wife. The choice almost seems like it is the right choice, self sacrifice for the normality of their son. But the decision was made to push the button already. The son being deaf and blind was always going to be the consequence of that. Killing the wife shows how selfish they are. Even she said, "I cannot see him like that." But that is your punishment for pushing the button. You must live with it. Instead, they take the easy way out.

My next thought was that since this is just all a test, the people who decide whether or not to push the button don't really have the decision to begin with. I was thinking that it is the otherway around. If the person kills the wife, then it makes someone else push the button, starting the whole thing over again. Remember, the NASA guy said to the husband before he was brought home, that he needs to be careful about what he does because everything from this point on has a greater impact. They are only made to believe that they were given a choice in the begining because it makes the wrong choice at the end seem right. It is here where they are actually being tested. Kill the wife, son goes back to normal seems correct because you don't want your son to pay for your mistakes. But it wasn't your mistake. This was a controlled variable by the aliens. As long as one more person kills their wife, the next person's child is going to be put in the same situation and they are going to be given the same choice. Choose wrong and another person will pay. It is here that they are really tested. They can choose to end the experiment at any time, but as long as they choose selfishly and take the easy way out, it will continue. The cycle stops when one couple can see beyond their own selfish desires and choose to life with the pain of their childs disabilities, which is made to look like their doing. Would 1 million dollars even be sweet to spend if you knew it was what made your child like that? It would just be a constant reminder of what you think you did. Having to live with that pain would be far worse than knowing your spouse gave thier life to save your child.

Just my $0.02.

Also, I noticed that it was always the woman who ended up dying or pushing the button. The first wife died, we saw that, but didn't see her push the button. The main characters we see her push the button and die. The last couple the wife pushes the button. Definitely a parallel to Pandora's box. It was said that Pandora was given a the box and never told of it's contents but told never to open it. Her curiosity got the better of her and she opened it, unleashing all the horrors of pain, suffering and other nasty things onto the world. The myth basically blames women for all the wrong in the world. Which is kind of how Eve is portrayed in the bible. She is the reason for their fall from grace. It was her initially who succumbed to eating the apple. Adam, then followed suit.

Posted by G3170 - Thursday, May 06th, 2010

Arthur C. Clark, Magic, High Technology, Atlantis, Mars, Gateways

Consider my message title to be a hint at an esoteric message, suggesting Richard Kelly knows something. Also, if you want to get your feet wet in some of this, I would suggest reading as an introduction, Dr. Joseph P. Farrell's, The Cosmic War: Interplanetary Warfare, Modern Physics, and Ancient Texts. And interestingly enough, Dr. Farrell is a Christian. He has done a superb job of putting certain things together.

So much is involved in all of this, it's not even funny. Hermetic Gnosticism, alchemy, Masonry, the WTC (Twin Towers), stargates and mega rituals, etc. The destruction of the twin towers (twin pillars) was an Isis unveiling ritual to symbolically usher in the "New World Order" (Age of Aquarius).

I can't believe no one caught the significance of the mention of Arthur C. Clark, author of 2001: A Space Odyssey, and the quote from him in the film about how no sufficiently advanced technology is anything other than magic. The Cosmic War has a chapter dedicated to him. In addition, it should be noted that Arthur Clark had involvement in the OTO - Ordo Templi Orientis or Order of Oriental Templars (not to mention Jack Sparks, OTO and rocket propulsion scientist with NASA).

Posted by G3190 - Thursday, May 06th, 2010

Correction

I don't know why I said Jack Sparks - I meant Jack Parsons.

Posted by G3352 - Sunday, May 16th, 2010

can the story break?

It seems to me the the story could break. i believe the book that he checked out from the library was stating something about the fact the the aliens couldn't control the free will of the test subjects. We are led to believe that the pressing of the button causes the death of someone you do not know (the previous button pusher), but in fact at this point there are two seperate supposedly free will choices that take place, the first is from the couple that have already pressed the button, (both couples that have pressed the button chose to kill the wife to save there son, which are the people that are killed by the new test subject pressing the button). But what happens if a couple chooses to live with there decision and have their son suffer? this should not in any way effect the new test subjects decision to press the button, they would carry on with their decision to press it, so who dies then? Or is it left out that the person that actually dies as a result of the button being pushed is truely some random person in the world and not the previous button pusher? (are we the audience in error by believing that the previous button pusher is the "unknown persons death" caused by the next test subjects decision to press the button)?

Posted by G5565 - Saturday, November 13th, 2010

The more I think about this movie, the more I like it, and want to watch it again a few times to focus on the symbolism. The Christian parallels are very well done. I also agree with the position that some have already described that the husband failed to make the right choice when he pulls the trigger. I want to add two small observations to that discussion, if not already included. First, at the beginning of the movie, he's rejected from the astronaut program for failing the psychological evaluation, a subtle precursor of him failing this final test. Also, he's later warned by the previous husband who kidnaps him from the wedding, with a description of the choice that is coming and a statement that "it's too late for me to be saved, but not for you". Yet, he ends up choosing the same outcome as that man.

For the wife, I think about the scene in the library where she tells Mr. Stewart that she felt love for him, for easing the burden of her disfigurement/disability because she saw a more obvious disfigurement/disability amplified on his face, and she felt freed to never feel sorry for herself again. Mr. Stewart later says in the final scenes that they gave him hope, and I think maybe this means he has hope that they will not press the next "button" and possibly end this cycle, with the choice before them to save their son. Her previous statements are then really tested at a much higher level, with a much closer disfigurement or disability put upon their son and a bigger test to see if that will indeed amplify the strong emotion and bond of love she previously experienced.

In the end, they are both tested, and both seem to fail because they choose the selfish reasons, though disguised as selfless ones. And the cycle continues. Makes me think about times when I wonder how there can ever be a God that seemingly doesn't test some people at all, while testing others to the brink with so much misery and pain. Her failure at the beginning to push the button was a simple test that is failed. His failure at the end to pull the trigger was a much harder test, but also failed. To win the game, maybe simply do not press that button as suggested, and accept some things for the way they are without change.

Posted by G3217 - Sunday, May 09th, 2010

one person's opinion

I just saw the movie, The Box. I believe that overall the movie was an anallagie for life and a metaphore of Adam and Eve. The sared man was satan, box was the temptation, the murder was the forbidden fruit and therefore the loss of innocence and what follows is how humans handle life when they feel so guilty they cant see the obvious solutions in front of them. Not only can they not see solutions to their problems but they make choices with wich to futher punish themself there by making their plight go from bad to worse until their lives are completely ruined because they fell into temptation, at the end we see the events repeating themselves because of course this happens to everyone all the time and like the scared faced man said the real solution is to not press the button, but as long as people press the button they will feel guilt which is what we all make our lives hell with. I dont know if this helps, but if it does, glad to be of help. If not sorry and maybe you will find someone with a more appealling interpretation.

Posted by G3335 - Saturday, May 15th, 2010

The con trck of the Deceiver

Just say no - and ring the police. Be honest! You may even get a reward for your honesty and integrity.

Whether or not you take the money or press the button or not is neither here nor there. What matters most is why you do what you do. Take the money? Give the gift it to the authrorities for taxation and clearance from illegal money laundering. Press the button? Admit the whole thing to the poice as a possible scam involving a psycopath's notion to plot people's deaths. Kid abused by a scared man who makes him dumb and blind? Isn't this a no-brainer? You do not kill his mother!

You can seek to deceive anyone but you can only gain confidence and trick someone who is like yourself - dishonest; otherwise it is just a lie and deceit.

The message of the Deceiver was that someone one does not know dies if you press the button. Someone you don't know will die whether you press the button or not -we all die and we do not know everyone that dies. So, the premis is based on a lie. The murderous evil of the man with the button and money was and is and will be whatever you do with the button.

The visitor offered money for collusion in murder - so why not just tell the police about him? Because the couples were shamelessly deceitful themselves. Remember that the "hero" fails a psychriatic test and the "herioine" is evidently suicidal.

The money is tax free? That is criminal and deceitful - the couple hide the money from the authorities. What if they pressed the button, took the money and offered to pay tax on it by bringing it to the government and ignored the pyschopaths? The bringer of death is now exposed as a money launderer and the film is a non-movie!

The boy is abused - he has sight and hearing disabled. The man with the button-box claims responsibility and gives them a gun. They kill one of themselves without even checking the veracity of the liar thinking they can cheat themselves to paradise - like a so-called suicide bomber. Where is justice? Did the boy ask for his dad to murder his mother? No.

Compassion is thinking of yourself only as much as you must do but actively considering others. The box-bringer was the opposite of compassion. You do not chat with the devil because it is hopeless. The devil has nothing to offer that is not a lie. And in the end, the devil is irrelevant and just seeking attention and distraction from her or his ultimate failure to achieve paradise for her or himself.

Posted by G3481 - Friday, May 28th, 2010

I don't believe that the couple commited any "sin" by pressing the button. Let's be realistic and take into account that they didn't really believe that the button did anything at all. If they had known that someone would have really died i am convinced the wife would never have pressed the button. She was NOT a selfish person. She even expressed love to a total stranger with a deformed face.
If Satan really wanted to test human beings surely he would have just put a gun in their hands and showed them the million dollars. Giving someone a fake looking button and telling them some crazy stroy is not a test of character at all.

Posted by G3503 - Sunday, May 30th, 2010

Box number 2

Some of this boards interpretations are great. Though one thing seems to be missing, the purpose of the elevators, what did these actually do in terms of the plot development? or in other words what did his choosing the elevator effect?

Answers on a Postcard

Posted by G3634 - Tuesday, June 08th, 2010

What if the people that steward decided to give the box to were killers? and when he came to offer the money and explain the button, they decided to just shoot him and take the money instead of playing his little game? I wonder what would happen then. this movie blew my mind! amazing, and it's soo open to look at it in any way really. I just read every post on here, and wow some people really know their stuff! props guys! very interesting opinions!

Posted by G3912 - Tuesday, June 29th, 2010

IT'S TRUE....i ALSO SAY THAT A LOT OF THE MESSAGES POSTED ARE EXTREMELY DEEP AND PROFOUND. i AGREED WITH ALOT OF THE THEORIES , AND AFTER ALSO READING MOST OF THE MESSAGES POSTED, i THINK "WHY DON'T WE ASK THE AUTHOR HIS INTERPRETATION OF THE STORY"'?

MY THOUGHT WAS GOOD VS. EVIL...THE CHOICES WE HAVE TO MAKE IN LIFE..

WHEN PUSHING THE BUTTON, THAT WAS EVIL..BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNEW THAT IT WOULD CAUSE ANOTHER TO DIE...SO THAT DOES INFER THE GARDEN OF EDEN TO US.

VERY INTERESTING MOVIE.

Posted by G5484 - Sunday, November 07th, 2010

Man's egocentricity

Oh, but initially they were not certain that pushing the button would or would not result in someone's death. Yet they were willing to take that chance. I think this is all about man's egocentricity. When they did begin to believe they could be so powerful as to have caused some stranger's death with the push of a button the consequences were disastrous. This was also suggested with talk about the universe and other planets.; earth being just one of them.If we as individuals believe we are the center of the universe no good ever can ever come from that.

Posted by G3966 - Friday, July 02nd, 2010

the man said he did nothing to him..and i think the water all around him suggests he got there through a gateway during which this would have happened to him

Posted by G3919 - Wednesday, June 30th, 2010

Who knows?

This movie was awesome. Kelly leaves the decision up to the viewer as to what it's about, and I must say there are some extremely interesting and intellectual opinions about the movie's meaning in this message board. In my opinion it is about many things but ultimately its about us(humans). I think that the fact that Arlington's last name was Steward says a lot in itself. Look up the definiton of a steward and the first entry you will find is : one employed in a large household or estate tomanage domestic concerns (as the supervision of servants, collection ofrents, and keeping of accounts) supervision of servants? collection of rents? is this a metaphor for God? I think so as maybe we are the employers of God in the way that without us would there even be a God to worship? But what about the references to mars and possible aliens? Maybe mars WAS populated in the past and the species, human or not, failed the test given by God or satan, whichever you prefer. Either way, Kelly must love to make movies he knows will rile the people who watch them as others he has made,i.e., Donnie Darko, have taken a look at the existence of God conundrum. Whether you believe Arlington is God, satan, an alien, or whatever, its really about us and the decisions we make. The question is, if the woman never pushed the button, would the last person who did it die? Or, if the husband decided not to kill the wife, would the next person push the button? Does this ultimately mean that the decisions we make affect the destiny of not only ourselves, but of others as well? I think so. I think maybe if one of the couples finally decided to live with the pain that their actions caused the blinding and deafening of their child, maybe the whole test would finally come to an end. Instead of living with that pain, they take the easy way out, and believe they will see each other in the afterlife. But wouldn't they both end up in eternal damnation anyway, since the wife was responsible for one person's death, and the husband murdered his wife? And finally, in the end, Steward says they can either sacrifice his wife, or their child will never see their faces or hear their voices again. Well guess what, no matter what decision they make, the child will never see or hear from them again as now the mother is dead and the father goes off to prison. So I think the real decision that will stop the test is to live with being responsible for your actions, meaning live with knowing your decision caused your child to be blind and deaf. All in all I thought this movie was absolutely awesome and i love how Kelly stokes the viewer's thoughts about life, death, God, aliens, and many other subjects that we don't know and possibly will never know the answers to.

Posted by G4082 - Friday, July 09th, 2010

The Devil is in the details..

What it boils down to is that the devil was taking good people and tempting them.

Every time they interacted with 'Steward' they went deeper into trouble and were put in a situation of temptation.

'Steward' laughed when he possesed the body. Hardly what we would think an alien mind or an angel would do.

He gave honest people a choice. But, he also put them in situations that would force them to make the wrong one. Steward clearly possesed her boss when he outlined that they couldn't keep her anymore. That's why his nose bleed after he delivered the bad news.

He caused the husband's application to be rejected. By either possessing those involved or extorting them to say he failed his psych evaluation. After all, he did ace the test.

Steward was nothing more than the devil. He could only possess those who were already in his thrall because they were previous victims. In the same way the husband was driven off and not taken to jail. He was to become an employee now. And because of the sin of murder, he openly gave himself to Steward as his wife did when she pushed the button.

'Steward' was an agent of the devil, and he manipulated and lied to make circumstances for the targetted couples to go in his favor.

They had a choice, but he made sure they had more reason to make the wrong one.

Posted by G4608 - Thursday, August 12th, 2010

One thing to always remember is that people (directors, producers, writers, etc) do not just "insert things" for dramatic effect.....Everything has a meaning...they know what the meaning is, but most of us dont.......and guess what....when they use those sort of tactics (showing images that are not evidently understandable), they usually are devil-based...dont ever think that something doesnt have a meaning....

think of jay-z music vids...in particular, "on to the next one"

Try pausing it everytime they show a flash of an object......u would be surprised at what u find.... the movie may be doing the same thing to ppl.. sending these subliminal messages that bring you closer to something positive or negative..

Posted by G6113 - Monday, December 27th, 2010

Arlington Steward

You make a nice point about the character Steward and his last name. I hadn't thought about the significance of the name before but now that you bring it up, something else came to me. You didn't consider the first name, Arlington. What is the most famous cemetery in the US? Arlington National Cemetery of course. If you change Arlington to Cemetery or Graveyard, he becomes Graveyard Steward-- or the angel of death/grim reaper/etc.

The one entity I think we can exclude for Arlington Steward is God. He says he's only a vessel and when asked by Norma about whether she can be forgiven he says he doesn't know the answer to the question. Surely God knows the answer to that question, and given our understanding of God, it would seem antithetical to mislead someone about salvation and forgiveness.

Posted by G4642 - Saturday, August 14th, 2010

The Box

well the whole thing was a test by the "people who controlled the light" which i think were aliens. The Arlington Stewart the guy srtuck by lightning was brought back to life by the people who controlled the light to help them do a test on us humans. they also gave him special powers so he could make employies of his own. now if you remeber when Norma Lewis was in the grocery store with her mother this lady the mans "employe" said this is a test only done on NASA employies with a wife and one child. You see NASA was experimenting with the Arlington Stewart all along. NASA was sending their employies as test subjects to the people who controlled the light. But the other people like the baby sitter were just employies of the guy struck by lightning, NASA people were the test subjects. Now heres another thing u probably didnt pay attention to, do you know who the guy in the window was at the end....it was Norma Stewarts father. Do you remeber when her father selected Arthur Lewis at the party to go up there and pick out a gift...he did it on purpose because he was with either NASA or the guy with the jacked up face. also at the party u notived how they showed him getting a wine glass looking either worried or confused because he knew they were going to kidnap his grandson and daughter.....he knew all along...how I dont know...its just a wierd movie..its hard to explain.......

Posted by G4714 - Friday, August 20th, 2010

The war between Science and Religion

I have no idea if this point of view has already been made as I got through half the comments and gave up!! For me, the film has a lot of religious reference about it's "nemesis" Science.

The 2 couples given the choice are NASA employees. Obvious NASA is a symbolic corporation doing beyond our the boundaries of our existence, to space. The main focus at the start is that the main guy is very "sciency", and through science we are to believe that the world was not created through God, but through the Big Bang. The wife however is definitely more religious, for example she asks about the afterlife before her death. The guy ended up siding more towards religion near the end as looking back some things were not explainable, like the gateways and teleportation. I think this relates some of the "stories" (please do not take this offensively, I do not know the correct term if their is one!!) from the bible such as sharing bread. They had very little, to spread among many, but unexplainably there was enough to go round, persuading doubters that Jesus was more than mere mortal.

Throughout the film I think their is a lot of reference to religion as well. Like the choice/free will decision of push the button or not. We know decisions, as minor as some are can have very dramatic effects on our future. Steward could be seen as the devil, because though he is giving a free will chance, he is also pushing the couple to their limits. The prinicipal had a nose bleed before giving the news to the wife that she tuition fees would increase. The husband was also refused a job, a job he was certain to get, based on a psychiatric failing, though there is no point in the film where he is acting an abnormal manor. The only time is steps out of character is by confronting the laughing waitor, which most likely was more related to guilt about his wifes injury than psychiatric behaviour. The NSA, who Steward seemed to front, most likely controlled the application and refused the husband from gettin his dream job, and seemingly providing no future for him.

Another similarity I thought was how the husband provided something to his wife to improve her life. Adam gave a rib to Eve. Is this similar? I felt it was enough.

Another is the light. The "minions" were either helping, by saying specifics such as "look in the mirror" or "go to this library". Others would laugh or cause pain to them, such as Santa Claus, the kid laughing about the wifes disfigurement etc. The babysitter, who clearly helped, was then later walking towards the light. The "mission" for them was supposedly to go to Boston, home for the babysitter. I portrayed this as that she could finally move onto her afterlife, the light, always perceived to be heaven. Nothing was shown to happen to the others, so maybe their sole purpose is to do good to move on.

For me, their was a lot of references through out to different aspects of religion and science together in the film. At the end of the day the film is choice, which you could say is do you choose religion or science. You can choose religion, lets say not push the button, and maybe be ridiculed for being naive when science can prove xyz of our existence, but they will always have faith and inevitably go to heaven. Or you can choose science, not have to worry about ethics of religion and the sins attached to it, but to what eventual avail, hell?

This film was certainly a classic mystery for me, and coming of the back of watching Shutter Island as well, my mind is kinda blown!! The director has done a great job with this movie and though I have not read the short stories, I'm sure that the mysteries mustered up by them are also fantastic. Brilliant pieces or work, truly.

Posted by cochise - Saturday, September 11th, 2010

I like your take on the film. It obviously made you think about it. It did the same for me. The movie kind of gets in your head. All the different interpretations are fascinating. A work of art can be like a Roschach ink blot because different people can see diffeerent things in it. Certainly in the study of literature critics are full of all kinds of wildly differing interpretations of a novel or poem, etc. You see the same thing in art, especially abstract art. (I read this Donald Duck comic by Carl Barks where Donald Duck is in a art museum standing next to a man and they are both looking at a canvas painted white. It is titled "white." Donald says that the painting might be a polar bear in the snow. The man turns to Donald and says, "It could be two." Anyway, taking the film the Box on the literal level, that is, it is a story about an alien who is testing humans, I feel it still has something important to say. Now, the alien is testing humans. I am not impressed with the aliens. I mean, they are testing humans to see if they are selfish, etc., but the aliens are using a really cruel test. The aliens are not better than the humans. I mean, how dare the aliens test us, when they are not behaving any better. Certainly not any more 'civilized' than the humans. I think it would be really cool if there were another lot of aliens (second aliens) superior to the original aliens testing the humans and the second aliens told the original aliens they were testing them. That is, the aliens testing the humans are being tested by the second aliens. Then the second aliens tell the original aliens that neither they or the humans are worth anything. The humans, or course, are useless because they always push the button, and the original aliens are not any better because they are testing the humans in a cruel way. So then second aliens get rid of the lot of them. Just an idea.

Posted by G4866 - Sunday, September 05th, 2010

i think richard kelly purposely left this one even more open for discussion than donnie darko after seeing how much people debated that movie. what was going on with all of the research on mars? the world is searching for life out in space but failed to notice something huge going on around them. this movie may go along with the ancient aliens theory???? not sure, wild stuff tho

Posted by G5061 - Monday, September 27th, 2010

WHY!!!

Why don't we all agree that there is the obvious picture of self indulgence and the other of self sacrifice. But why in heavens name ( I use that loosely) would the mars mission and God be intertwined? So when they die, do they go to mars, heaven or just end, because purgatory did not live up to "their" visions?

Posted by G5208 - Thursday, October 14th, 2010

wishing

I wish my wife could push the button...

Posted by G5483 - Saturday, November 06th, 2010

adam and eve

I just wanted to add I thought it was ironic how its basically the Adam and eve story playing out over and over.

The woman is approached alone, like how the snake approaches eve while alone in the garden, offers something she would never get otherwise, a ton of money in this case instead of the knowledge of good and evil.

The husband lets the woman decide both their fates just like adam... the decision to push the button, (eat the fruit), is suppose to only hurt everyone but the "button pushers" ... but instead hurts everyone including their child... which everyone in the world would be the children of Adam and eve if the Bible's story is taken literally.

I mean even at the end of the movie they show another young couple, and again it shows the woman pushing the button...and the husband touches her arm as to show his support, even if its half heartidly...again like Adam.



Just a thought



Posted by G5576 - Sunday, November 14th, 2010

I had the same feelings when the movie was over. I found myself initially asking "did I just waste 2 hours of my life"? But then, as I began thinking about the movie more an more over the next few days, I started to see that this movie had some layers and depth to it.

The obvious "moral to the story" in my opinion, was that our lives are completely determined by the daily choices we make as individuals. Do I turn left or right? Do I return the $20 bill to the person walking in front of me who dropped it? Do I push a botton to secure myself and my family with 1 million dollars in exchange for murding some unknowing, probably innocent, person?

I thought the movie did a pretty good job showing that our decisions have obvious consequences. Yes, you can say that they were just trying to show that humans are greedy and self centered. However, one can easily poke a hole in this theory. The two families they portrayed in this film that had initially made the obvious wrong choice, in the end both acted as selflessly as possible and made the right choice. They both decided the trade their own lives for that of their own child. Neither could bare to live seeing another human, albeit their own offspring, afflicted with pain and misery just so they could live. This brings us to another layer of this film. Humans, upon making a mistake, can learn from their own mistakes. Grow. Become more intelligent and more caring.

At times I did think it got a little to "science fictiony". Were they aliens conducting an experiment? Was he a messenger of god, or god himself? I don't think it matters really. Each person can draw their own conclusions.

Posted by G5629 - Thursday, November 18th, 2010

"Those who Create the Lightning"

Posted by G5761 - Sunday, November 28th, 2010

The Box meaning

The movie had many points.

Lets start with the numbers.

"1 and 2 create 3"

The couples that the box is given to, they are 1 and 2

3 is the outcome.

The current couple was 1 and 2. 3 was their son. Who lost his vision and hearing which took away all chance of him becoming a couple.

also the choices that 1 and 2 make will decide the future.

So thats numbers.

Now characters.

The burned faced man.

He is not "God". This is proved when the wife asks if she can be forgiven. He says that he does not know. God should be all-knowing and forgiving correct?

He is not just some man. He is the body of a man being used. He is a symbol. His figure allows you to believe him. He says "I am only a vessel"

The husband is Adam.

The wife is Eve. She pushes the button just as Eve bit the apple.

The choices we make dictate the future.

Posted by G5762 - Sunday, November 28th, 2010

the test

The test was to see if humans were actually humane.

Able to live without pettiness and such.

The day when everyone tested immediatley said no to pushing the button once they heard "and someone you dont know will die" is the day humans get an A on their test.

Now the test has two parts.

The people that fail the first part by pushing the button are tested again.

When you push the button. Your child gets messed up. Your spouse (since they let you push the button) must decide to live with the child's disabilities and you or kill you and get the child back to normal.

To pass the test you must let the child be disabled. You must hate yourself for pushing the button and your spouse for letting you.

You dont kill your spouse then the next will not push the button.

The pattern of not pushing the button will continue untill the "testers" make up another test....

Posted by G5887 - Thursday, December 02nd, 2010

Big picture

One of the biggest points in the movie is that there is no God.

God is who decides if you go to Heaven or Hell correct?

This movie had 3 portals deciding your fate.

The main thing is that what dictates the outcome of the future is our choices.

The burned man always gave you choices and as we all know it is a test.

First testing pretty much whether or not you'd kill a person for a million dollars since you dont know them

Then if you did kill them then you were tested again by the decision of your child or your wife to suffer.

If you kill your wife then you fail.

Killing your wife is too easy. Honetsly it would almost be reassuring that atleast your son gets 1million when he's 18 and he has his vision and hearing again...

But your supposed to think that killing is simply wrong. It is.

Your supposed to suffer.

Hate yourself for ruining your kids life...

So no God. No fate. Merely a day by day ruling of your future excluding random occurences like tornadoes and such.

also a big point is that there are aliens and they are watching...

Posted by G6035 - Tuesday, December 21st, 2010

previous poster

I think you've missed the point of them movie totally.. No offense to you. Please understand.. It 's not about whether you believe in God or not. But it is directly correlated to the Bible. If you believe or not.. That's up to you. But as many posters mentioned earlier, it's about redemption according to the Genesis story of the Garden of Eden. Previous posts have made me think about other things that I've pondered also. I'll state my case in points. You decide. * Adam and Eve. Arlington plays the role of the serpent. The one who introduces Eve to something intriguing and new, but nonetheless it is sin. Granted in Genesis the fruit was from the Tree Of Knowledge and the serpent convinced Eve that she could be like God. The box gives a person a god-like position/decision of taking someones life. Either way it was sin. Sin is simply doing something (in Bible terms) that God has instructed us not to do or not doing something that God has instructed us to do. She makes the decision to commit murder. And so do all of the others that have push the button, which we either learn or see are women. The crux of this is that the original sin was decided by Adam. God didn't tell Eve she couldn't eat from the tree. It was Adam. The ironic part of the movie was that the women made the decisions, but the men had to deal with the stress. The men ultimately had to be tested. The men were all there when the deeds were done. But it wasn't them that actually did it.. It was impulse by the woman whether the man wanted or not. * The woman becomes the scapegoat for the innocent. Sin is something that we've all had to suffer from from one person's decision. So the offspring suffered. We suffer because of sin which is explained in the book of Psalms as David explains that we're born into iniquity. It's part of us. We see this is the Christ reference. Although she is not innocent. She is not sinless. She is the one who pays the cost for her son to be "ok". * The wages of sin is death. Ultimately from the one that decides it. In this case, the wife.* There seems to be something something very Job-like also for the husband. He didn't lose his job, his belongings it seems. We don't really learn this. But his life is in ruins and he seems to be losing his mind and all the things that matter to him the most.

Posted by G6114 - Monday, December 27th, 2010

Impressive Discussion

I am thoroughly impressed with the thoughtfulness of some of the people on this thread. I enjoyed reading this much more than actually watching the movie.

I thought the scientology angle was interesting. I don't know much about scientology to comment on the movie but does anyone know if Richard Kelly is a scientologist?

In reading some of the comments here (and I didn't read every one word for word) I agree with the idea that this story has some connection to Job. In that book, Satan is more of a prosecutor than a foe of God. After watching the movie, it occurred to me that Arlington Steward obviously manipulated the protagonists into a state of financial ruin. The principal of the school gets a nosebleed while informing Norma of her bad news.

The parallel with Job makes the Lewis' decision to push the button all the more disappointing.

The central theme of the test is stated late in the movie by Arlington Steward who makes it clear that if the human race cannot show its altruism, an apocalyptic ending is in the offing. Steward also says there will be other tests from which one can conclude the evaluation process will be something of a gauntlet for humanity.

My wife and I discussed the free will issues relating to Arthur shooting his wife as another couple decides to push the button and whether Arthur and Norma are controlling the couple or vice-versa. However, Steward had several boxes in his office so presumably the new couple might have killed someone else if the Lewis' had made a different decision. I suppose if there comes a point where no one pushes the button then maybe Steward moves on to a new test.

Last, the discussion here on the Lewis' decision to shoot the wife was interesting. My wife and I agreed that they made the wrong choice both times on the theory that their child would be better off blind and deaf with 2 parents than without disabilities but with a father who killed his mother. The movie left that ambiguous since it's unclear whether Norma and Arthur were really being altruistic. To some degree the answer is also ambiguous since reasonable people could disagree on whether the son would be better or worse off disabled or with parents. If the testers were aliens their answer might not be the same as ours either.


Posted by G6347 - Wednesday, January 12th, 2011

Quick question

I watched the movie on one of the cinemax channels so I don't have the dvd to go back and check this.. But after seeing the very end, I don't think the girl who was "saved" earlier on when her father shot the mother and ran could see or hear. I just remember her having a blank gaze when the cops show up.. Makes me think (if I'm correct) that her father didn't really "save" her since he chose to immediately run off rather than stay with her and make sure she was okay first. Arthur stays for Walter, not caring if he gets "caught". But like I said, I could be wrong. Good movie. Solid, somewhat intellectual (not quite to the degree this msg board seems to show..) fiction.

Posted by G6478 - Sunday, January 16th, 2011

Button, button

I've really enjoyed reading all the theories on this movie, it's great when a simple film can create so much discussion. This movie is an adaptation of a short story written in the 70s by Richard Matheson and was actually first released in a playboy issue. the original story ends with with Arthur dying and Mr. Steward asking Norma is she really thinks she knew her husband. this has an entirely different meaning, which I'm sure can easily be concluded by all. Button, button was later made into an episode of twilight which has a story more similar to the film, with less alien stuff that is more popular in the 21st century. twilight's adaptation is about war and weaponry. the cold war was still on and so americans were constantly given reminders of their nuc weapons. this story line ends with the assurance that the box will go to someone that the couple do not know- showing the viewer that one family, or country, pushes the button only causes the next country to do the same back to them. the box movie beins by staying true to this story but as nuclear weapons are not so much in the news, it makes sense to gravitate towards a more relatable theory such as morality vs selfishness. so really, this story has been intended to have more than just one message. remember that time is a constant character in everything read, said or watched.

Posted by G7747 - Monday, July 04th, 2011

Sure the kids are healed?

It's not sure if Walter isn't blind and deaf any more. The policemen say he's ok, that's all. So we don't know if Mr. Steward was telling the truth or not. Is it the occcuring of simultaneously events or cause and effect?

Posted by G7866 - Wednesday, August 03rd, 2011

I think "The Box" simply means that people are selfish. People don't care if someone they don't know dies... They just want money. But there are probably way more messages hidden in this confusing yet interesting movie.

Posted by G10076 - Saturday, August 22nd, 2015

dumb

Posted by G10115 - Friday, November 13th, 2015

A whole new theory-help me out

Everyone seems to be focusing on religion or aliens but there is only one moment in the movie that I saw left unanswered....In the end he was taken away by NAS..Why?And why not police?The smallest part holds a pretty big clue- he FAILED the psychological test...Where he thought he aced everything..Now what if the whole scenario WAS his test?

Posted by G10293 - Friday, October 28th, 2016

I think the idea of testing humanity with the simple choice was yhe objective, but why then did they taint the purity of the choice by coercing their decision (by denying admission to astronaut training, and the tuition increase)? If the simple test was to see the altruistic nature of humanity than they failed by creating an inadequate experiment to test the simple nature... but because they induced Financial stress they were almost to choose the money

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